Babs chatted with Eric Tobin about his 15-year career at Hopeless Records, his battles with spina bifida (but not letting that get in the way of living his life! He just climbed Everest!), and as always the steps they take to stay sane in the chaotic world of the music industry. Tobin was there for us in the very early days of Emo Nite, extending an invite to have dinners at his house and providing the best advice. Babs met her brother in law at one of his bbqs and he officiated her sister’s wedding. He spent Christmas in Hungary with her family a couple of years back. Needless to say, this was a really special episode for Babs. Tobin is an incredibly inspiring, hard-working human, and is so kind in a world where not many people are.